Tuesday, September 2, 2008

Questions about the VP Candidate and some of her story...

IMPORTANT UPDATE AS OF MONDAY AFTERNOON 3PM EST:
GO TO GRYPHEN'S BLOG- RIGHT NOW - THERE IS A PHOTO ESSAY THAT ANSWERS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BABY TRIG.
Scroll Down to SEE First photo ..Important...
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Winter/Late Fall Family Photo?

On the Campaign Trail- WHO looks like they had a Baby ?

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FIRST Preg. Photo of Palin...this is not a woman that can hide pregnancy at 7 months.

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MARCH 12TH ,2008 PHOTO ( 4 WEEKS BEFORE TRIGS BIRTH)

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BABYGATE UPDATE::: READ BELOW:
BREAKING NEWS ON MONDAY 12:30PM ON CNBC SAYING THAT THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN RELEASING STATEMENT THAT BRISTOL PALIN IS PREGNANT - THEY CLAIM 5 MONTHS- AND THAT SHOULD "PUT TO REST RUMORS ABOUT THE TRIG RUMOR ON THE INTERNETS"....VERY STRANGE
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{first posted 8.29.08 at 3 AM)
PLEASE PLEASE KNOW I AM MERELY ASKING QUESTIONS...Mostly because I don't want to see the repugs LIE to us again...I am sure she is a wonderful mom....I just have questions about some of what we have been told..

So I went searching a bunch of NW Blogs and Some Alaska blogs trying to figure out more about this Allusive NEW VP Candidate. But the Nurse and Mom part of my brain definitely started asking Some Questions. Little Things, like WHY Didn't McCain make the Announcement in Alaska- HER home state. And then reading her story, some things did NOT make sense. Like that she was Pregnant and No One she worked with Knew she was pregnant ? And then that she Flew HOME from Texas, and she was OVER 7 Months Pregnant and her water Broke ? ( Kind of story MSM LOVES...but also not quite realistic). And the other part of the story that bothers me, is that most people with new babies, especially mother of 4 and a new special needs baby take off more than TWO days before returning to work......So I stumbled around some last night and there is a lot of Other People Questioning Big Chunks of her story....I am not the only one....I am not trying to gossip here, please know that ....But I also think if we are ALL being lied to about a Special Needs Baby and questionable situation....and Heaven Forbid it is being used to Manipulate People's Sympathies for an Election......

And yes, I look at this photo and it looks like Winter, and no Sarah does not look pregnant..and the Daughter...well...she could be...as a Nurse and a Mom ....I have to Wonder, the Timelines,and the story is Dubious....it is.

Read Some of the Snippets of Threads from Internet Info and you tell me....what do you think....
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"When Sarah Palin announced her pregnancy in early-March of 2008, the news came as a surprise to not only the media but to those she worked closely with.1 The secretiveness of the pregnancy and the observations that Palin did not appear to be pregnant in the months prior to her announcement led to rumors that she was covering up for her 16-year-old-daughter Bristol's pregnancy.2
Fast Facts
Governor Sarah Palin announced to the media that she was pregnant on March 5, 20081
Close staff members learned a few days before the public announcement3
Palin was seven months pregnant
Said the baby was due in mid-May1
Trig Palin was born one month after the announcement on April 18, 2008
Palin was featured in Vogue Magazine in December 2007"
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More Snippets::::
""Keep in mind, before we wind up the Friday night activities in Blogistan, that this is still only ten hours after the announcement of Sarah Palin as John McCain’s VP announcement caught so many of us flat-footed. In ten hours, though, the hits keep on coming. Let’s take a quick look at a few more.
The first one, and possibly the most tawdry of the bunch, came via several e-mails which arrived after the announcement here at Jazz Headquarters. Check out this picture of Sarah Palin from Super Tuesday this year.
It’s a nice shot, but according to at least once source it was taken on Super Tuesday. That’s in February. At that point, Palin should have been six months pregnant with her last child. It does make me wonder if the following will turn into a story.
…the oldest girl is rumored to have actually been the one who had the last baby, the one with Down’s Syndrome. She was taken out of school the last 4 or 5 months of her mother’s pregnancy.
On March 5th, 2008 Alaska’s Republican Governor, Sarah Palin, announced to the media that she was 7 months pregnant with her 5th child. She is currently 44.
Palin’s daughter Bristol is 16 and attends an Anchorage high school. Students who have attended class with her report that she has been out of school for months, claiming a prolonged case of mono.
Palin does not appear pregnant in any recent photographs. The announcement came as quite a shock to people who had worked closely with her, and have been quoted as saying that she did not appear pregnant whatsoever during the prior 7 months. While this is debatable, you can judge for yourself here: http://gov.state.ak.us/photos.php
(Ed Note: That link has since died since we first looked at it. The pictures were removed today.)"""
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ANother Snippet from an NW Blog:::
"""It gets weirder. It’s reported that her water broke while she was at a conference in Texas, where afterwards she proceeded to give a half hour speech then fly home to give birth in Alaska. I’m not kidding:
Just yesterday, Palin was in Texas at a forum on energy with Texas Gov. Rick Perry and executives from four other states. [...]
The governor’s water broke during the energy conference but she stayed and gave a 30-minute speech before boarding an Alaska Airlines plane home to deliver the baby.
I just check Alaska Airlines website to see how long a flight from Austin to Anchorage takes: 11-12 hours.
As a friend and mother I’m talking with just told me, babies tend to come out faster with each one you’ve had. This would have been the governor’s fifth. So her water breaks in Texas, where she proceeds to give a speech, then make a 11-12 flight home to deliver the baby in Alaska? Say what?"""
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My thoughts:::
SO THE THING IS THAT PREGNANT WOMEN over 6 MONTHS, AND ESPECIALLY 7 MONTHS HAVE TO HAVE PERMISSION TO FLY BY THE AIRLINES AND THE DOCTOR...BUT GIVING A SPEECH AFTER WATER BREAKING? AND THEN FLYING FOR 12 HOURS? THERE WOULD BE ALOT OF CONTRACTIONS AND PAIN ? ALSO BY BABY 5- THEY COME FAST- LABOR IS OFTEN LESS THAN 12 HOURS.....
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So those are some of the questions I stumbled on..and some of my thoughts...worries...Something is Not Right.
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ALSO PLEASE DO SEE NEW PHOTOS at Top of Page. Please also see post below about THE MEETING April 18th, 2008.Please Do also WATCH the VIDEO over on the SIDEBAR:HOW she looks Pregnant when she worked for the News Station...
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BREAKING NEWS AT 12:39 PM MONDAY THEY ARE SAYING THAT BRISTOL IS 5 MONTHS PREGNANT....MCCAIN CAMPAIGN IS ISSUING STATEMENT ABOUT TEENAGE DAUGHTER IS PREGNANT. 5 MONTHS PREGNANT. CNBC is saying that the McCain Campaign Is releasing THIS INformation to Put to Rest RUMORS ON THE INTERNET ABOUT TRIG PALIN???? THAT IS HOW CNBC IS REPORTING THIS ...

114 comments:

enigma4ever said...

I hope people understand why I am asking these questions ....I think we need to VET her and ask questions....

HelenWheels said...

I agree. Pretty damn suspicious. But they are obviously scrambling to remove any evidence. Looks like her daughter had a baby.

The fact the baby was born with downs is what they can use to prove it's Sarah's since downs syndrome babies are more likely in pregnancies by women over 40... ugh

I think the fix is in.

I just got another nauseating email from a woman in my online group praising McLame and suggesting we all go listen to Rush Limbaugh for an "open-minded" point of view. I feel like barfing.

D.K. Raed said...

I hadn't seen ANY of this, but you've got me wondering, too.

Remember Palin is being touted as BIG on home schooling. So now I wonder if any of her other children were brought home from school, or was it only the eldest daughter?

I noticed something else at her big debut speech. She barely even looked at little Trig, barely mentioned him. A new mother, even a 5-time mother, would hardly be able to keep herself away from him.

I also noticed the pained look on the daughter's face. She did not look happy. I thought I recognized that look as one who had to do most the childrearing for younger sibs myself. It seemed to me to be the look of one who is concerned about the baby, but also resentful of missing out on her teenage yrs. I'm sure I wore it often. But now you've got me wondering if she is emotionally damaged in some other way.

And here's something else: I thought the daughter (I know, I need to verify her name, Bristol?) sure has a lot of baby fat. Most girls her age are about as thin as they will ever be again. But now I'm thinking it could've been the look of someone who just gave birth & is probably nursing. Especially seeing the photo you posted from a few months ago. She has ballooned up for some reason.

But, Biden did not bring out his whole brood when Obama announced his VP pick. Palin didn't have to, either. Unless they were just trying to get the audience prepped for seeing her being non-maternal and the daughter being in charge of the baby.

BTW, did you notice Palin's hub did not have much interaction with Trig either? Strange for a father to ignore a new child, his only other son.

OK, I'll stop with a fun note: about births getting easier the more you have ... my grandma used to LOVE to tell me about birthing my dad, who was her 4th child. She said, I got a stomach ache, I stood up to walk to the bathroom, and your dad fell out on the floor! She said, if only they all could've been that easy!

(ps, you can delete this, all or part, I realize I was rambling)

R.J. said...

Wow. Now that's a scandal in the making. Will the MSM pick up on it? Or is it up to us to make some noise?

Christopher said...

Is she a man?

I think she looks like a transvestite and they can't get pregnant.

If she's a bio woman, then why would Palin abandon her infant with Downs Syndrome to chase her dream and stoke her ego? Downs Syndrome infants need tons of care.

Could the kid belong to her sister? Her daughter?

My gut tells me something is off here. I felt it from the moment the announcement was made.

HelenWheels said...

"Dr." William: You are not very bright if you think leftwing, liberal or democrat bloggerss are less intellectual than neocon, rightwing or conservative blogs.

I have never seen such idiotic drivel as I see on rightwing blogs. I for one would LOVE to see your shining example of an intellectual, rightwing blog. I doubt you can produce one, because intellectual and rightwing are a complete oxymoron.

And sadly, but predictably (by yet another troll) you are also incorrect on the personal attacks comment. There are no bigger personal attackers in this country than those rightwing hate-mongering, hate-speech radio personalities and the bloggers who embrace them and simply regurgitate their fear-based, idiotic drivel onto the internet.

If you're up here as a paid shill for the rightwingers, you may as well take a hike because your ill-based insults won't hold any water among this crowd.

Christopher said...

William,

If you're a doctor then get busy and make people well. You shouldn't be wasting your time on U.S. political blogs.

Better still, do something important like working to bring dental care to the 20% of Brits who have never seen a dentist.

Your people have the scariest mouths outside of China.

HelenWheels said...

Wow Enigma you are already attracting the crazies... you must be onto something.

HelenWheels said...

Christopher: LOL!!! Not to mention, Dr. William should really get busy trying to fix England's slide into fascism. Don't they have a camera on every street now?

Gryphen said...

Well as an Alaskan I can only add that NOBODY knew Sarah was pregnant.

Not her staff, or the reporters, nor did she appear to be pregnant in the slightest.

This is a very gossipy story, and not something that I feel very comfortable with. But this is not about a teenage pregnancy being covered up by a loving parent.

This is about a politician who ran her campaign on the platform of ethics reform. She promised to have a transparent, honest administration. This is neither.

Does Sarah Palin think that in 2008 voters would have thought less of her if her daughter became pregnant? As a parent of a 21 year old daughter I can tell you that she has made choices that I would not have agreed with. But I always supported her, loved her, and defended her if others dared disparage her. I never told her that she had disappointed me or that she had to pretend that she was somebody that she was not.

Of course I am not an evangelical. Those churches are where shame thrives and judgmental people feel free to act better then everybody else. In that environment is it any wonder that a public person might want to hide an embarrassing private situation?

But now Palin is in the national spotlight. Can she really hope to keep something like this private? And did the McCain campaign know? Or were they lied to as well?

enigma4ever said...

I am merely asking questions as a nurse and a mom,.....

So to everyone- I think it is fine to ask some of us- ALaskans are...

About the "susposed"Doctor- the Brit-what ever....
I have been a nurse for over 20 years...as a nurse- a really good nurse- I know there are times to ask questions...I also know a troll when I see one...So If I could ask that we just be able to talk and just ignore him- I will sweep him out the door..

Enigma4ever said...

There you go friends...I have swept William out the door this conversation is for friends only ;-)

Enigma4ever said...

Thank you and if you want to share with others that is fine...we need to see what happens with this....

HelenWheels said...

Yay! Thanks!

Christopher said...

We had lunch with Jim's summer preceptor. She's an RN with 15 years experience and naturally, I had to bring up Sarah Palin and her Downs Syndrome infant.

I asked, "Could you leave such an infant behind to run as VP?"

This woman said, "99% of women wouldn't do it. Palin's priorities are skewed."

Just passing this on.

enigma4ever said...

well, it is possible to run - if she had like an amazing family and an adult or mother to help care for the infant....I do worry he is a special needs infant- usually Downs babies are poor suck, poor muscle tone, and some also have heart problems...they are fragile....Most people with infants don't travel much- esp infants that are fragile- so I am little confused as to how she will campaign, on the road....or how her family will be cared for...her husband works for BP...

So I am watching the FOX (sorry- but they have good Hurricane updates..) gee the Repug commentators are not happy...gee...age./experiencee etc.....

( Hmmm someone thew tomatos at the the MCCain plane today...that is terrible...)

back to Palin.....I think that at some point people will ask questions...

about Downs...you can be any age and have a Downs baby...it happens...sometimes people are not in the risk group...sometimes people find out at birth..older moms get tested....so they can be prepared...

babybates said...

WOW - I hope that if this is true, it will become PUBLIC knowledge ASAP!

I was so happy after watching the DNC and was a little bit scared and shocked after McCain announced his pick for VP. As a woman, I can't believe that women would just vote for McCain just because of Palin (but then again, GWB was elected TWICE - much to my horror and sadness).

If there is any way that Alaskans can get the truth of this story, and then get it into the national media, so many people would be very grateful.

Gryphen said...

Babybates, we are trying!

Believe you me!

HelenWheels said...

Well, one cheek swab would tell us all we need to know!!

Sorry... that probably sounds obnoxious but that would be the only way to know for sure in light of the media blackout surrounding it so far.

Gryphen said...

This story is finding its way onto news blogs now as well.

Check out Chris Cillizza's blog "The Fix".http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/08/the_palin_stunner.html?nav=rss_blog

You have to go down a few comments but then it just erupts.

Kellybelle said...

You got me. Those are some good questions.

HelenWheels said...

Gryphen thanks. I posted up there upthread a couple from yours. But about other things.

enigma4ever said...

I DID PUT THE QUESTIONS OVER AT WATERGATE SUMMER IN A WAPO THREAD LINK FROM WHAT GRYOHEN SAID, HE IS RIGHT PEOPLE ARE ASKING ABOUT IT ON THAT THREAD, BUT IT IS ALOT OS SNIPING FOR NOW....

SORRY..THIS PRINT IS TOO SMALL SO I HAVE TO GO BIG SO I CAN SEE WHAT I AM WRITING.AND USE CAPS....

what we need is SOMEONE reputable to really look at it,....any ideas ?

Christopher said...

I've worked for some big companies (Charles Schwab and Blue Cross) and a big non-profit (APLA) and a few smaller companies and I can tell you this.

When a woman is preggers, it's an event for folks to celebrate, have cake, order pizza and hang out. When she delivers, everyone is anxiously waiting to hear how mother and child are doing.

For McCain's Quayle to just slip the news in one morning and no one she worked with had a clue she was with child, suggests to me she was never preggers in the first place.

I don't get it. Sorry.

Kellybelle said...

I linked to this post. I feel a little mean questioning Trig's parentage, but this is just weird. Something ain't right

Enigma4ever said...

I just added some links - she supposed was due May18th ( she announced her preg. or made it public in March - and NO ONE knew when she announced...THERE ARE NO PHOTOS OF HER PREGNANT- NONE...THE LAST PHOTOS OF MARCH 5TH PRIMARY HAVE EVEN BEEN REMOVED FROM THE ALASKA WEBSITE...)

I POSTED HER BIRTH STORY- FROM APRIL- SHE FLEW WITH HER HUBBY TO A MEETING IN TEXAS- ENERGY MEETING- IN APRIL - THAT MEANS SHE FLEW 8 mo. pregnant- which would have required permission from her dr and the airlines- esp a long distance flight like that - over 6.5 monthes usually requires paperwork and permission....

susposedly her water broke- she went to her meeting then went to airport and then flew for 12 hours- the thing is usually when a woman has her water break she is uncomfortable and having contractions- she flew ALONE ( her husband let he fly alone ????after her water broke????)

Christopher said...

Palin is radically anti-choice, even in the case of rape and the woman's health. According to Palin, if you're preggers -- YOU WILL CARRY THE CHILD TO TERM AND DELIVER IT.

No exceptions.

Could she and her husband adopted the infant from a young girl, not equipped to raise it? If so, why the secrecy? This is an admirable thing to do and really decent.

Could the child belong to a family member, like her sister who has a personal history of getting knocked around by really bad men?

This story stinks to high heaven.

Are You Serious? said...

There are many women who like to hide their pregnancies for whatever reason. Simply go to Google and make a couple of searches for things such as "hide your pregnancy", "hiding your pregnancy".

My point is, that there are many women who feel the need to hide their pregnancy because they don't want to show weakness or whatever. So you shouldn't automatically jump to conclusions without FACT.

HelenWheels said...

Looks like your healthy skepticism/curiosity hit a nerve, eh, Enigma?

I would think such a staunch, rabid supporter of pro-life policies would parade her pregancy about for all to see!

RobE said...

Hi.

For what it's worth, my mom was a pediatric nurse for 30 years (retired in 2000) and she calls Palin's story about her purported pregnancy and the birth of the Down's Syndrome baby far fetched.

At the very least, my mom notes, Palin risked sepsis by not immediately going to hospital once her water broke. The fact that the baby was premature and a Down's Syndrome case further, as you indicated, ratcheted up the need for immediate professional care, not a cross country airplane flight.

So even if Palin's story is correct, she was at minimum negligent in her care for the child and herself. Which only points further, I think, to the daughter, who had been out of school for five months, being the actual mother.

The fact, also, that Palin hid the pregnancy for three or four months further makes me suspicious since nothing sells in politics like motherhood.

So I think you're on the right track. Stay strong.

HelenWheels said...

RobE, thanks (from the peanut gallery) and yes, Enigma, stay on it.

I know NUTHIN' 'bout birthin' no babies but I know when the water breaks it's time to GOOOOO!

Get on an 11-13 hour flight? Um... NO.

This story = swiss cheese it's so full of holes.

Bd said...

Wow, I'm copying this text and the picture before it gets 'removed.'

Gryphen said...

That picture is not going anywhere.

It is safely stored in Gryphen's "lockbox"!

HelenWheels said...

Good idea, we can't be too careful, can we?

HelenWheels said...

Have you seen this?

Sarah Palin is NOT the mother [photos + video]

FranIAm said...

GREAT post- truly great.

The flight from TX to Alaska? Is she kidding????

Distributorcap said...

i go to the movies and miss all the fun

my friend john called me last night and said "something is NOT right about this whole Palin thing -- it just stinks to high hell"

my gut -- Sarah Palin will need to recuse herself for personal reasons -- by Wednesdaay

enigma4ever said...

Go to D.Kos...it IS BREAKING WIDE OPEN TONIGHT....

Kellybelle said...

are preemies usually 6 lbs 2 oz? That's large isn't it?

HelenWheels said...

It absolutely falls w/in normal birthweight. Enigma will tell you!

Enigma4ever said...

it is healthy weight...not a "premie" weight...
it can even be a normal FT weight....

MAT SU hospital lists 7 birthes for April , none on the 18th.

( their hospital has had 25,000 hits today...hmm, I wonder why ???)
This little regional med center has NO NICU or emergency or special needs nursery. She said in the people magazine article that she knew that she was having a downs baby in Decemeber 2007 ( the Same time she was doing Vogue - funny she does not look pregnant in those photos- which NOW 24 hours later have also been removed from the Internet).....

If a woman's water breaks they are advised to seek immediate med attention esp if they are on Baby Number 5 as this baby will come quickly usually in less than 8 hours....also there is a risk of infection ..

Women over 7 monthes are usually not allowed to fly- have to seek permission from their doctor AND sign a waiver with the Airline-

Supposedly her water broke, AND she went and gave a speech and THEN she flew home- there is no way that she could have done all that with NO contractions??? and then she knew she was having a HIGH risk baby - so she takes the flight home- and even in Seattle or Texas she could have sought medical care- then she gets home and drives45 minutes to MAt Su med Center ...?????

and yet there are NO Birthes listed for that day from that hospital...not that I can find...

Either way- none of this shows normal safe careful motherly judegment- most women once their water breaks - hormones and adrenalin kick in to get to the medical center..and People around them do notice they are in labor.....NO ONE KNEW ???? Did she tell anyone at Alaska Airlines ???( any woman in labor would say something -right?)

If she really did not say ANYTHING to any one - WHY???because she put herself and the baby at HUGE risk...makes no sense....

Enigma4ever said...

go to Daily Kos....and DO look at all the photos..LINK is on the Sidebar....

Christopher said...

I find 26 births in the Mat-Su on-line birth registry but no mention of a "Trig."

Also, the Wikipedia page for Sarah Palin has been hacked and blocked by someone calling himself "Zodiac."

This is getting very strange.

Gryphen said...

Hey Enigma somebody at Daily Kos found another link to the Mat-Su hospital.

It does list two births on that day, but none of them were Trig Palin.
http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/show_day.php?month=04&year=2008&day=18

Karen Zipdrive said...

Loved your take on this enigma. I've been blogging my fingers off about this for the last 24 hours or more.
The MSM may have to look into this if the bloggers make enough noise about it. Otherwise they'll sweep it under the rug, and we can't risk having another colossal liar so close to the red button.
As a nurse, please examine that pic of Bristol in the green sweater more closely. You can see the outline of a huge navel. My sister's a midwife clinician who specializes in teen births and she spotted it immediately.
That is not the navel of a non pregnant teen.
Nope.

Enigma4ever said...

Karen::
I will be over...for sure...

EVERYONE DO CHECK OUT THE FIRST PREGNANCY PHOTO BELOW..THIS IS NOT A WOMAN THAT COULD "HIDE" PREGNANCY....

jus' sayin....

enigma4ever said...

Karen::your sis is right- alot of nurses ( me 2 ) have been saying that this whole story stinks to high heaven...it is about lying and having another liar in the WH...that is the issue...and ( about deception of the religous vote again...etc...) you get why we need to blog this- it has also been sent to Keith and Rachel...we need MSM to cover this...

Karen Zipdrive said...

That photo of Palin during her first pregnancy really makes the point- when she's pregnant IT REALLY SHOWS.
If that's her body's physiology, can someone in the medical field please explain to me how a woman's fifth pregnancy could look so much different?
Something stinks here for sure.

Enigma4ever said...

Karen::
I am a nurse- I have never seen a woman's body HIDE a pregnancy....esp no5....nope not in 20 Something years of nursing....I promise you....

HILLBLOGGER said...

Enigma,

I'm with you... as helenwheels said, pretty damn suspicious.

Palingate in the making kind of thing here.

Well, Palin became a very fair game when she cast her lot with John McCain!

HILLBLOGGER said...

7 months and nobody in her office, her staff knew that she was preggy?

Whew!

When you're 7 months pregnant, you can say all you want, that's still 16 to 20 pounds of protrusion all around your person. And that lil tummy will be very noticeable because it's the first to protrude.

HILLBLOGGER said...

Boy, this would destroy the Republican party in November if she lied about this baby!

enigma4ever said...

Thanks Hilblogger::
see there are too many parts of the story- as a mom, a nurse and a woman I have to say that do not make any sense at all....

I don't want another liar anywhere near the Whitehouse....sorry..but I am tired of all the lies...and lying about a baby ....to get votes...it ain't right...

thanks..share the story,...spread it we need the MSM to investigate and ask questions Quickly.....

Karen Zipdrive said...

When she said publicly (many times) that they knew via amnio testing that her baby would be born with down syndrome "but they chose not to abort," she was making a dooming statement if it turns out it's not her kid.
And I really cannot see how it could be her kid.
Even the hospital- which lists daily births on their website--made no mention of her giving birth on April 8.
Anyone who thinks the American public can be this stupid must be a special kinda dumb.
Like Bush-dumb!

Karen Zipdrive said...

correction: April 18.

Matty Boy said...

If you haven't watch the video from February on DailyKos, when she should be 5 1/2 months pregnant, she talks about liking a run that "tears her guts out" as though that is a good thing for a woman expecting her fifth child.

All the facts we have put together makes her look like a liar, but I think she's more appealing as a lying grandmom than as a completely callous mother on her son's delivery day.

Either way, it's something the GOP has to answer. We need to keep up the pressure for the truth.

enigma4ever said...

thanks Matty- I will post it...thanks...
thanks Karen..yup...you are so right..

Hill- we need to keep sharing this...

HILLBLOGGER said...

Enigma,

Can tell you that although I wasn't the bloated pregnant woman type -- always managed to add only 20 pounds to my initital weight until D Day, I never was able to keep my waste from expanding particularly in 5th month, no matter how hard I tried to keep my weight down, let alone in 7th month, just NO WAY! NO WAY!

And to think that she has a history of not exactly being the slender type during her 1st pregnancy (as pic shows.)

Either her friends and staff were dumb or they're lying for her.

As you rightly pointed out -- breaking water and she still went to deliver that speech and then took a 12 hour flight while managing to keep it secret from people around her or traveling with her?

Aw c'mon...

Someone is weaving a blarney yarn here.

McCain and Palin need to do some explaining here.

Karen Zipdrive said...

Neither McCain nor Palin will need to explain anything unless we Bloggers inform the public and overwhelm the mainstream media until they are forced to get off their complacent, lazy butts and demand explanations.
Fortunately the GOP left us a how-to book, called, "How we screwed Dan Rather and John Kerry in one short year."

enigma4ever said...

As Karen said it is up to all of us to spread this far and wide and ASK Questions - ALOT of them....

we need MSM to cover this-

This is LIKE the Missing WMD and Plamegate and the Illegal War- it is up to us to break this story and beat it like a drum- NO MORE LIES.....

( and it is not possible for a woman that has been preggers 4 or 5 times to hide it- the muscles just can't....and the Airport story and the Texas part of her story are impossible on ALL levels....)

HILLBLOGGER said...

How about linking with the reporter (Anchorage Daily News) who broke the story of Palin's pregnancy in March, 2008 "SEVEN MONTHS ALONG: Even her staff was unaware that the first family was expecting a fifth child."

Her e-mail: wloy@adn.com

enigma4ever said...

oh good thinking..
I did link the Story up at the Top of the page too ...excellent - thanks Hill

austexgrl said...

Thanks enigma.another nurse jumping in here..The core of this matter is also that McCain probably is unaware of the facts and history of Ms. Palin...yet chose her without careful consideration. Will this represent the way he would make choices in his presidency? And what about HER honesty as a Vice President, if she cannot even be honest about the "baby?"

HelenWheels said...

There are 2 new pics that make her look pregnant, I got them googling "Gregg Erickson" who I had seen claims the DailyKos story has been debunked:

DailyKos Story Debunked

But how could her weight fluxuate that much then? She's definitely thin in that super tuesday pic!

enigma4ever said...

Warning-
I just got a very nasty email with a bunk of crappy links and so the TROLLS are out folks- be careful if anyone sends you anything..

this person pretended to have info photos and links- and Watergate Summer is having troubles if you look-

Helen NO ONE credible has debunked the story- and alaskans have been asking questions for monthes- it s about the TRUTH...

we need some one other than National Enquirer to do the story...

I also took the Wiki link off cuz it got hacked...

Hang in there folks- we are asking VERY valid questions this woman was NOT vetted to be VEEP

Gryphen said...

Helen don't think that picture of Palin in the snowmachine suit proves anything.

Around February in Alaska EVERYBODY looks pregnant. Even the men.

It is what they look like when they take their parkas, puffy jackets, and snowmachine suits of they is important. And that is how her staff saw her everyday, and did not have a clue she was pregnant. Now if you suspected your co-worker were pregnant but perhaps were too unsure to ask, wouldn't you response when asked later be "I thought she might be pregnant"?

And Enigma is correct the trolls are out in force. And why not? This scandal will drive a stake through the heart of the GOP.

HelenWheels said...

The paranoid part of my keeps asking what if Rove masterminded this & put blatant clues out there to make it look like it was her daughter's kid so that the leftie bloggers will take the bait and ultimately make Obama look bad!!

It's just so mind-boggling that they didn't vet her! It's so crazy!! And that if she had this scandal, she'd still take the VP spot? Maybe McLAME is tired and just wants to return to his comfy senate seat.

HelenWheels said...

And I hear ya, Gryphen. Good point.

KarenZipdrive said...

How would Obama end up looking bad if American voters were wondering about this pregnancy?
If we are Democrats, are we not allowed to wonder about this story that has more circumstantial evidence than the average criminal conviction?
This has got nothing to do with Obama. In fact, *I wish* the Obama camp would react to mcCain's ridiculous VP selection a little more strenuously.

enigma4ever said...

Look this has NOTHING to do with Obama- this is US as Citizens , as women asking Some really good questions about a person who was NOT properly vetted to anywhere NEAR being the Leader of the Country- and Old Senile Man made a Really bad decision...

we are all doing our duty as Citizens....this is a Dangerous Incompetent Decision- she was not vetted if she was her records ALL of them would have been examined- even hospital and birth....

DivaJood said...

Seriously, I can understand why she might not want the kid to be born in Texas - it might have contracted Bush Syndrome.

Gryphen said...

Here try this on.

I have been wondering why Palin did such a poor job of pretending she was pregnant. I mean apparently she did not even stuff pillows under her clothes to fool her staff. And then it dawned on me.

What if she didn't know?

What if Bristol was able to hide her little secret for a number of months?

Wouldn't that explain why Sarah kept showing up in stylish clothing that is clearly NOT maternity wear?

And if we take this line of thought even further, maybe they were not exactly sure when little Trig was going to make his appearance. Maybe Sarah thought she had plenty of time to get from Texas to Alaska without incident.

If you think about it that makes much more sense then a pregnant mother of four, in her eighth month flying twelve plus hours home to have a baby, after her aminotic fluid started leaking.

And Enigma isn't that doctor in danger of being sued for malpractice if she did not insist that Palin get checked out by an OBGYN BEFORE boarding the plane? Shouldn't the Alaskan medical board already be investigating her?

enigma4ever said...

OKAY MORE Information ( HOLES in the story)

(1) Have not been able to locate ANY video or transcripts of the Important Speech she gave on April 18th , 2008, I went to the NGA Site [National Governor's Association), there are no meetings listed for that day- no Minutes or ANYTHING for that day. I checked the Speaker Bureau listings as well.

WE need footage, transcript or photos from that important speech. Supposedly Governor Perry attended yet- there is nothing on his website either.

(2)I am still having trouble trying to ascertain that her DrCathy Baldwin Johnson has Priveleges in the Deilvering hospital.

Those are the two areas I am examing at this time- anyone want to help - let me know...

enigma4ever said...

**I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIND OUT IF HER GP- CATHY BALDWIN JOHNSON HAS DELIVERY PRIVELGES AT THE MAT-SU MED CENTER, AS SOME GP'S DON'T ONLY OBS HAVE PERMISSION- ESP. IF IT IS A SPECIAL BABY, OR A PREMIE....SHE IS LISTED IN THE PHONE BOOK IN WASILA- BUT I HAVE NOT ESTABLISHED HER AS A DELVERY PHYSICIAN AT THAT HOSPITAL..

IF THIS STORY IS TO BE INVESTIGATED PROPERLY- THESE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE...

( we need like a Greg Palast or some other Wonder...)

HelenWheels said...

Believe me, I agree: We are just some people investigation. But what I'm aware of is that ALREADY the rightwingers are blaming the Obama campaign for whatever we unearth, like it or not... just be aware of that.

I think you are all doing a phenomenal job. GREAT point, Gryphen: I have a friend who didn't HERSELF know she was preg until 6 months. Part denial, part irregular period to start with, part partying her ass off in college & gaining weight.

So, a very valid possibility.

Enigma: THat is HUGE that that speech is not documented PLUS no video. OMG.

Believe me when I say I do like to entertain what the opposition is capable of before I am 100% convinced. A little bit of skepticism/paranoia is a good thing when dealing with TurdBlossom and its far-reaching tentacles.

enigma4ever said...

ON THIS THREAD LET'S JUST STICK TO THE FACTS WHAT WE CAN FIND VIDEOS, MEETING MINUTES ETC...THAT IS HOW THE SMOKING GUN DOES IT-

LET'S NOT WORRY ABOUT THE RIGHT WING TROLLS ETC...WE ARE DOING A GOOD JOB ASKING QUESTIONS THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS ASKED....We can NOT worry about them- we must stay on this....
we are on to Something VERY Important-

THIS WOMAN WAS NOT VETTED BY ANYONE TO BE 2ND IN COMMAND OF OUR COUNTRY- THIS IS WORSE THAN CHOOSING BUSH...THIS IS DANGEROUS...

SO AGAIN THERE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS WE NEED TO FIND ( IF WE CAN)

(1) THE MEETING THAT SHE ATTENDED ON APRIL 18TH , 2008- ARE THERE ANY PHOTOS, MINUTES OR TRANSCRIPTS OF THAT MEETING ANYWHERE ?
( OR EVEN BETTER VIDEO?)

(2) DOES THE GP THAT SUPPPOSEDLY DELIVERED THE BABY HAVE DELIVERING PRIVELEGES AT THE HOSPITAL ?

ALL PHOTOS OR VIDEOS OF HER THE PAST YEAR ....
from State Of Alaska Events or Meetings - ANY and ALL....Most have been removed from the Youtube and the Internet and Google...it should NOT be this hard to find them...she is a Governor...

Keep digging Folks and we will solve this and hopefully MSM will pick this up this week...
There is always National Enquirer- you would think they would not want to get scooped again ( edwards)

KarenZipdrive said...

Actually, I was an investigative reporter when I started my career as a journalist and this is exactly how stories are developed.
You chase down all leads, seek confirmation, throw out the unprovable junk and proceed from there.
But most of all, you give the suspicious party an opportunity to confirm or deny the story.
Unfortunately, the GOP and the Bush administration (especially Cheney) established an environment of zero accountability to the media or the people, so it would be difficult to approach Palin to request proof that the kid was hers.
Standing alone, some of the circumstantial evidence is weak. But when it's presented in its entirety, several legitimate questions emerge.
If Palin turns out to be a liar, The People need to know before the election so we can make an informed decision in the voting booth.

Keep up the good work, enigma. You're correct in saying that this has nothing to do with Obama, and those who insinuate that it does are simply incorrect.

HelenWheels said...

I hope you don't mean me, KZD. Of course tying any investigation of Palin and her baby has nothing to do with Obama...I'm just reporting what I see on the blogs/article comments.

Of course anyone who blames this on Obama or says this rumor is coming from his camp is wrong. But the knee-jerk wingnuts have already started accusing him & his campaign. That's all I'm pointing out. I have seen this in many places (and have counteracted accordingly).

enigma4ever said...

Helen:
I think Karen was speaking about how we know the Right Wing Trolls will say we are trying to smear us for asking questions,...that we should not let it deter us from probing and working this....

To be honest if she had been the DEM Choice I would be asking just as many questions it is about Vetting...and truth...

We all are on the same team here...but yeah, we have to be realistic that we will be Questioned for Asking Questions...

( I have been trying to Contact Bigger Investigative Sources to investigate this story...It bears alot of Fact Checking )

enigma4ever said...

Okay- I made a mistake- I meant to say that Repugs and Right Wing trolls will say we are trying to smear Palin- None of us are trying to smear her- we are trying to ask Questions and get to the truth...

and again..Anyone this close to the WH, even if it was the DEM candidate- we would be asking Questions...and probing this issue..

Karen- wow- you are an experienced real journalist...so you do understand why the questions need to be asked...thank you..

HelenWheels said...

OMG!!

Palin confirms daughter's pregnancy

They say McLame knew before he chose her? That's INSANITY! It's a scandal. Why would he choose her? It's getting weirder and weirder!!

Christopher said...

Mat-Su has blocked access to their baby on-line registration.

I guess 120,000+ inquiries were too much for their server to handle?

Or, they need time to add the name "Trig Palin on April 18, 2008" as they were instructed to do by the RNC and Gov. McCandy?

It just gets stranger by the hour.

Now, Bristol is preggers with baby no. 2 and McCandy says she's happy as a clam.

This is like watching an episode of As the World Turns.

HelenWheels said...

What if she's not pregnant and will have a convenient miscarriage? That's always a possibility. In any scenario, that Bristol has been brutally used by her own family for political gain.

I mean, if she isn't actually pregnant and has to GET MARRIED to save face - and it turns out that Trig really is Bristol's baby.... OH my gawd!!!

We need to keep on this story.

HILLBLOGGER said...

Enigma,

Alaskan Gryphen's comments are spot on! They are a must re-read...

enigma4ever said...

HILL::
Gryphen is onto something for sure...and what Alaskans have been concerned about for monthes....I did add his great blog up to the Information at the Sidebar- also Mudflats- both of them blogged it- about 3 posts down- they both are voicing really good info and Questions...

Bristol is Carrying alot of weight- is she pregnant? I don't know- she is bigger than 5 monthes pregnant- she does also look like she could be carrying baby weight. Now people have asked could she also be pregnant if she did give birth in April- yes she could- but she would not be 5 monthes- it would be less...

there are again too many of these pieces that are not making sense....

and the Photo from the Campaign trail on Friday- clearly show a young girl either pregnant or like a young girl that had a baby and is still carrying the baby weight...

And no offense- the photo of Palin does not look like a woman that just had a baby in April....

More Questions than answers at this point...

and McCain's statement was all pissed that people were asking questions- we are allowed to- there is too much that does not make sense...

HILLBLOGGER said...

From the BBC: Palin's teenage daughter pregnant

HelenWheels said...

Oh I'm sure McLame is just projecting anger at his own stupid self. After all, he didn't vet her, now this story breaks, no way she can look like the good mother they made her out to be. Either she accepted the VP offer knowing that she lied about Trig's true parentage OR she accepted the VP offer knowing that her under-aged daughter was pregnant AND knowing that she'd be scrutinized (and of course in some cases, reviled). That's just cruel and about as bad a mother as one could be.

She threw Bristol under the bus -- and her own political party with her -- for her own advancement. And what a stupid choice that was. Maybe she wants her 15 mins. of fame at her family's expense.

Karen Zipdrive said...

Hillblogger, of course I didn't mean you. I think your comments are very reasonable and entertaining.
:)

HILLBLOGGER said...

I thought I should pick this comment posted at abc News Gov. Palin Says Her Unmarried 17-Year-Old Daughter Is Pregnant.

Here's a comment by an ABC News reader that makes absolute sense:


°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
Disbelievers, PLEASE look at these two photos to see who the real mother is!
After the baby:
http://www.mccainblogette.com/postings/083008_0928/55.jpg
One month before the "birth":
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/v-gallery/story/345168.html?/news/alaska/v-enlarge/story/345168-a345519-t3.html
and
http://tizona.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/sarah_palin_02.jpg
My look at that after-pregnancy weight gain on the daughter. And Palin, nice and trim after just having had a baby and had three days off before going back to work. Why even Heidi Klum wasn't as trim after her baby.
Do your homework. Then make your decision. I don't appreciate Palin thinking we are so stupid to believe this farce. Do you want political officials who think you are THAT stupid? Biggest problem with the Republican Party? Hiding their own dirt and acting holier-than-thou while they judge everyone else as guilty sinners. Lies will be revealed.

enigma4ever said...

Note the News release say "about 5 Monthes pregnant".....Hmm, kinda conveniently vague....

HelenWheels said...

Yeah that really makes me suspicious. The 5 month thing. Nope. I am really convinced now it's a full-blown scandal & Trig is Bristol's baby.

It's just way too convenient. And what are their options now? Do they pretend Bristol is pregnant for awhile and then fake a miscarriage? why won't they just provide the hospital records? It's certainly not adding up.

Palin is a monster. How can anyone do this to their child????

Enigma4ever said...

Hillblogger:::
hey there- I can not find that first photo- the one on blogettemccain? can you send me- thanks....enigma4everATearthlinkDOTnet....thanks..

HILLBLOGGER said...

Enigma,

Have you read this?

« Reuters Lets Anonymous McCain Aide Tie Obama To Pregnancy Rumors

Obama: "I'm Offended" By McCain Camp's Insinuation About Pregnancy Rumors
By Greg Sargent - September 1, 2008, 2:49PM

Obama smacks back at the anonymous McCain aide's suggestion of ties between Obama and the rumors that Trig Palin is actually the son of Sarah Palin's daughter:

Asked about the insinuation from the McCain campaign that the liberal bloggers trafficking in rumors about Palin write for websites that mention Obama, the senator said, "I'm offended by that."

The Democratic presidential nominee said, "There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us."...

"Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be. And if I ever thought that it was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that, they'd be fired."

Of course, the McCain campaign never even had to make this absurd allegation on the record, because Reuters so generously let an anonymous McCain aide do it.

HILLBLOGGER said...

On its way, Enigma!

HILLBLOGGER said...

Enigma,

should be in your box...

Very very baffling...

Can't tell if that's Bristol holding the baby -- but if it's her, then she seems a bit on the heavy side; many mothers don't lose their pregnancy/post natal fat right away.

Between the purported mom, i.e., Sarah, and the suspected mom, i.e., Bristol, easy to suspect that Bristol is the mother based on these pictures -- given the obvious: Sarah shown very slim 3 months after birth and Sarah, still on the heavy side after the birth of the baby...

Of course one may say that Bristol's pregnant but just as easy, as Helen said, to say in a couple of weeks that she had a miscarriage -- nobody will be the wiser.

HelenWheels said...

And if no one is forcing them to provide the hospital records of Trig's birth, we certainly won't be seeing those either, should a fake "miscarriage" occur.

HelenWheels said...

The smear on Obama begins!

More Rovian ploys.

DCup said...

What is going on? Has anyone checked out Track? Is he married? Could this Mercedes gal be his wife?

DCup said...

I answered my own question. Mercedes is Levi's sister (he's identified by name in the comments of one of her pix.)

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63524358&albumID=0&imageID=9866485

I think Gryphen may have found the smoking gun.

RobE said...

Here is what could be going on now with this new announcement from Palin:

With just two months to go before the election, this five months pregnant story will be enough of a story to fend off the press for now. This is a buying time strategy.

This doesn't take anything away from the fact that bloggers forced Palin to at least make this announcement, make of it what you will.

However, if McCain, is, God forbid, elected, Bristol will "miscarry" and then, somewhere down the line," Palin will announce that she lied about her own pregnancy (the one involving Trig) to "protect her family" through the White House press secretary, who will be doing the verbal song and dance in front of a compliant White House press corps, while Palin, who will likely be a non factor in the McCain administration anyway, goes on holiday.

This all just gets curiouser and curiouser.

Karen Zipdrive said...

I don't think Bristol will 'miscarry,' I think she's actually pregnant again and will deliver baby #2 around January.
I have mentioned this elsewhere, but my mother was born in January and her sister was born in November of the same year. Irish twins.
-------
Horny teens with no parental supervision and nothing else to do like to screw, what can I say?
But when Levi Johnston knocked Bristol up again, I imagine Sarah's husband Mutt got out the family shotgun, pointed it at Levis's crotch and started singing, "Going to the Chapel."

HelenWheels said...

KarenZipdrive, as I just said on your blog, you are hilarious!!

I think the IRish twin theory might just pan out. And the NASCAR crowd will just love this kid. But TrooperGate and the killing of polar bears and aerial gunning of wolves and the like still needs to be put out there.

I think I'll give this a rest & hope that someone in the know breaks the rest of the story... or Andrew Sullivan keeps at it 'til they produce hospital records. I think we've probably done all we can do: Raise awareness.

RobE said...

Thought you might want to read this piece from the Philly Daily News if you haven't seen it already:

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/features/27755734.html

HelenWheels said...

Earth to rightwingers: NO one cares about an underage pregnant coverup or a sex scandal 'til it happens to someone on the left. Didn't you get the memo?

We're just calling the party of family values on its bullshit. Even tho apparently now they are embracing it. LOL. What a bunch of utter bullshit.

msdrpeppergrl said...

I was pregnant when 15 and went to a home for unwed mothers in Texas named Edna Gladney Home...it is known for its confidentiality rules and they go to the extent of legally changing the mother's name while there and everything, which is why I went there as a teen as well, and used a very similar story of being "ill" as apparently Bristol told her peers at school as for her "prolonged" absence during the same timeframe her mother was "supposedly" pregnant. This all sounds too familiar, and the fact that Sarah Palin was in "Texas" at all during that time, I can guarantee you is because Bristol was at that home giving birth, and if anyone at the Edna Gladney Home speaks (we affectionately called it the "Egg Home") they are liable for suit - so I am sure Mrs. Palin knew this when considering Bristol going there. I remember Edna Gladney used to boast how their confidentiality was so great that politicians, beauty queens, and even a very famous football coache's daughter had gone there to have their babies -- so you can bet a huge coverup is indeed what is going on here, and THAT is why they were in Texas AT ALL during that time - not to give some SPEECH. I am betting that their initial intention was to consider adoption for Bristol, but if the child was diagnosed with Down Syndrome, they may have possibly changed their mind to keep the baby (as was common if any other babies had disabilities as their likliehood for adoption was very low) or they at least went there for the confidentiality of giving birth at least for their strict guidelines as to confidentiality for people Bristol's age... and it would allow for Bristol to be cared for while the rest of the Palins stayed in Alaska to continue with duties. What a tragedy this is that they truly chose to cover it up by saying SARAH HAD HER OWN DAUGHTER'S BABY!!! HOW CRAZY SILLY SICK - I WOULD HAVE MUCH MORE ADMIRED HER FOR SAYING HER DAUGHTER HAD A BABY AND OWNED IT. And I can bet you that Bristol is probably not pregnant right now - she prob still has the baby weight and will later mysteriously announce she miscarried or something. This is all a tragic hoax and coverup. How crazy stupid surreal. I cannot believe how this is truly turning out.

enigma4ever said...

ahhh thank you Rob- I have added it to the top of the Blogpile: "AND then there was more"...


Ahhh Helen...
So which are they embracing -I am soooo confused..the family Values or the BS???

oh - both ?

enigma4ever said...

MS DrPepperGirl:::
I thank you for sharing your story- that is very very powerful...It is the saddest thing ever what is happening to Bristol- she is who I really feel sorry for ....there are girls that get pregnant- which you shared with us...and I have had friends and friends daughters....it happens...but a real family should embrace and be proud of their children and be truthful- that would be more loving..and yes, watching Bristol this past week- and seeing photos of her with the baby- and the way the baby snuggles and clings to her- I was so moved that she is sad- she can not even say this is hers...and I worry about her...

All of this is wrong...and time will reveal the truth...
but I do pray for that baby and Bristol....they both need TLC....and much care...and a Better Mom than Sarah....they are merely her Poster Children....

thank Drpeppers for sharing and understanding why people blog this- because it is concerning...

Gryphen said...

Here is the link from the National Enquirer.

http://coverawards.com/2008/09/03/news_national_enquirer_sarah_palin_cover_47182/

RobE said...

Hi everyone:

I found this at Americablog:
http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/bush-speechwriterwashington-post.html#disqus_thread

It is from a Texas conservative and longtime doctor who is just absolutely beside himself with what the GOP has become. It is incredibly eloquent and I urge you to read the whole thing.

But the relevant part for engima's blog is this section:

"I have been a medical doctor for 20 years. The picture of Mrs. Palin taken in March 2008 during Super Tuesday circulated all over the web this weekend - one month before delivery of Trig - is supposedly at 7.5 months gestation. I have seen literally hundreds of women at 7 or 8 months - that woman is SIMPLY NOT PREGNANT. Who am I going to believe -- my own trained eyes that the State of Oklahoma paid over $100,000 to train to heal people - or the crap that the fawning campaign and the news media spewed that was a lie and out of bounds. "My friends", I have no idea what the story is, however, it is germane to her character - and I can tell you in the dozen or so pictures of her in March and April of this year that I have seen- she is not pregant. But the campaign and the media have decided she was - so the lemmings naturally shut up about it - and now she is Joan of Arc."

RobE said...

A Christian Wasilla mom whose child also has Down's Syndrome says that Palin may not be following God's will in still working while having a special needs child: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008159242_webwasillamom04.html

SunnyTN said...

I saw where there is not record of a baby boy born on 4/18 at Mat-Su hospital. Has anyone checked the Anchorage hospitals since that is where Bristol was living at time?

enigma4ever said...

I think people are working on that too...I will post when I have it..thanks..

enigma4ever said...

I think people are working on that too...I will post when I have it..thanks..

Lady Kale said...

Thanks for what you are doing. Hopefully the truth will out sooner rather than later.